I think one assumes that every pitcher is going to have TJS at some point, but the Mets losing Wheeler for 2 seasons and Noah for pretty much 2 seasons, is really quite annoying.
Maybe a win like it should have been -- McNeil is the guy who really disappointed me, because he can be such a force offensively -- but here was a 3-2 game in which we used 5 relievers. It's unsustainable. I don't have the numbers to support this impression, but I feel like the Mets have lost only a few games because of staying too long with a starter, whereas they have often asked too much of the bullpen. Sometimes the price for that isn't paid on the day of purchase; the after-effects show up with a tired, taxed, short-handed bullpen. And while I "get" Dom Smith's public comments, I wish they sounded a little less delusional. This team was in first place for more than 90 games. The division was there for the taking. Oh well!
I'd be interested in knowing the Mets bullpen usage compared to that of other teams. The Mets rotation has been hit particularly hard by injuries which may play into going to the pen earlier, but they have been early pullers all season regardless. I'm not sure if that's due to the lack of innings in 2020, an organizational philosophy, an all over baseball philosophy or what it is. They are also very reluctant to use pitchers for more than 3 outs seemingly. Again, not sure how this compares to the rest of the league.
According to Fangraphs -- at least the way I read the stats -- the Mets are 18th in MLB for reliever innings. For ERA, the relievers were 11th. Seems to me, glancing at stats, we're not an outlier. The key, to me, is Tampa Bay leads MLB in reliever innings and has 3rd-best ERA (Giants are #1). To win in today's game, teams should start with a deep and quality pen (though the Nationals did fine in 2019 w/ an atrocious pen).
Which is why I'm unmoved by fans who complain about Rojas pulling pitchers, etc. He's very much in line with MLB practices -- and he's just following recommendations handed down from above. You don't invest in building an Analytics Department only to ignore them. Do you remember when the Mets used to be known for developing pitching? How many relievers have we brought up through the system in the last 10 years?
Familia was probably the last impact reliever through our system. Although Paul Seward was having an absurd season in Seattle (still might be, I haven’t checked recently).
It seems that in today's game, with such a reliance of relievers, combined with the unpredictability of relievers from year to year, that a smart organization would work hard to produce a pipeline of young hard-throwing arms in the pen.
I think one assumes that every pitcher is going to have TJS at some point, but the Mets losing Wheeler for 2 seasons and Noah for pretty much 2 seasons, is really quite annoying.
Maybe a win like it should have been -- McNeil is the guy who really disappointed me, because he can be such a force offensively -- but here was a 3-2 game in which we used 5 relievers. It's unsustainable. I don't have the numbers to support this impression, but I feel like the Mets have lost only a few games because of staying too long with a starter, whereas they have often asked too much of the bullpen. Sometimes the price for that isn't paid on the day of purchase; the after-effects show up with a tired, taxed, short-handed bullpen. And while I "get" Dom Smith's public comments, I wish they sounded a little less delusional. This team was in first place for more than 90 games. The division was there for the taking. Oh well!
I'd be interested in knowing the Mets bullpen usage compared to that of other teams. The Mets rotation has been hit particularly hard by injuries which may play into going to the pen earlier, but they have been early pullers all season regardless. I'm not sure if that's due to the lack of innings in 2020, an organizational philosophy, an all over baseball philosophy or what it is. They are also very reluctant to use pitchers for more than 3 outs seemingly. Again, not sure how this compares to the rest of the league.
According to Fangraphs -- at least the way I read the stats -- the Mets are 18th in MLB for reliever innings. For ERA, the relievers were 11th. Seems to me, glancing at stats, we're not an outlier. The key, to me, is Tampa Bay leads MLB in reliever innings and has 3rd-best ERA (Giants are #1). To win in today's game, teams should start with a deep and quality pen (though the Nationals did fine in 2019 w/ an atrocious pen).
I actually think our pen has had a pretty decent season; certainly better than my expectations.
Which is why I'm unmoved by fans who complain about Rojas pulling pitchers, etc. He's very much in line with MLB practices -- and he's just following recommendations handed down from above. You don't invest in building an Analytics Department only to ignore them. Do you remember when the Mets used to be known for developing pitching? How many relievers have we brought up through the system in the last 10 years?
Familia was probably the last impact reliever through our system. Although Paul Seward was having an absurd season in Seattle (still might be, I haven’t checked recently).
It seems that in today's game, with such a reliance of relievers, combined with the unpredictability of relievers from year to year, that a smart organization would work hard to produce a pipeline of young hard-throwing arms in the pen.