Amazing analysis of the relief situation from 5000 feet. I think this sort of perspective is especially appropriate for relief pitchers. No one will do as well as Diaz. A big loss to be sure. But we are not losing 100% of his production because others will make up for a certain amount of it. I’m sure you’ll have a calculation of what the end result was after the season is over. I agree we should be patient. But if Britton looks like he’s a solid reliever who can give us 40 or more quality relief appearances, we should grab him now, options and luxury tax be damned.
I’m hopeful this is a huge tear for Drew Smith. I think he has the most potential of stepping up to a significant high leverage contributor. And if he doesn’t, it’s time to move on from him. Nogosek has potential to reach a level of serviceable bullpen arm too. Brigham might be a solid too. And John Curtis might be a huge high leverage contributor.
Great stuff on the high leverage scenario. Yes I think Lindor wanted Baez but now PCA is a top 20 prospect at premium position. I am hoping Alex Ramirez continues to ascend to take sting out of losing PCA for rental of Baez (who did play well but wasn’t right move imo).
Just a reminder that hindsight is 20 20. The reporting on Crow Armstrong that trickled down to me at the time was that he was a great defender who might hit for average in the big leagues, but was not going to hit for power. And he was in the midst of recovering from a very serious shoulder injury. By my recollection, the Mets were in first place and seriously undermanned, with Lindor out, but DeGrom and Carrasco on the mend. We needed an offensive star boost.
I myself wanted Bryant. But I was thrilled to get Baez. And Baez was great. But DeGrom never returned, Carrasco stunk, Walker stunk, Megill stunk, Conforto stunk, Dom stunk and McNeil stunk. Total failure of a squad that looked pretty damn close when they acquired a superstar at the deadline.
Full transparency, I also wanted to re-sign Baez. Looks like letting him walk and using the savings for other free agents, however turned out to be smart. And I wanted them to sign Bryant. Which would have been disastrous, so what do I know? I was also ready to let Diaz and McNeil go heading into ‘22 so again, I’m an idiot. But I was thrilled immediately with the Thanksgiving weekend purchases. All in, to be sure. And then the Bassitt acquisition, which was also a winning move. But I was against trading Dom when that spring opportunity materialized, so back to the drawing board.
My point is that none of these moves happen in isolation. The roster has many moving parts and the opponents move and react as well.
At this point in time, the most impactful player of the Baez trade was Trevor Williams. He directly contributed to a highly successful Mets 101 win season. Let’s wait until more time has passed before we put Pete Crow Armstrong in the Hall of Fame. The jury on the trade, in my opinion, is still out.
Yes I agree hindsight is 20/20 and jury is still out. Baez played well and like you mentioned there were other several factors why they didn’t play well second half season. I am a admitted prospect hugger so my viewpoint is warped lol. And Mets have several OF prospects fail so their track record isn’t good: Jason tyner, Alex Ochoa, lasting milledge, Fernando martinez, Alex Escobar.
That's how I remember it. It seemed to me that Lindor wanted to reunite Puerto Rico's WBC infield: Baez, Lindor and Carrasco. Not the worst dream scenario.
Maybe it's a playoff hangover but Drew Smith and "heightened set-up role" is not a confidence builder. Regardless, I have confidence that the Mets will figure this out. Every team will have their version of the Diaz Fiasco and Billy Eppler will be right there to figure out "how can we leverage this our advantage." Meanwhile, LFG with real games so there is something "real" to talk about.
Amazing analysis of the relief situation from 5000 feet. I think this sort of perspective is especially appropriate for relief pitchers. No one will do as well as Diaz. A big loss to be sure. But we are not losing 100% of his production because others will make up for a certain amount of it. I’m sure you’ll have a calculation of what the end result was after the season is over. I agree we should be patient. But if Britton looks like he’s a solid reliever who can give us 40 or more quality relief appearances, we should grab him now, options and luxury tax be damned.
I’m hopeful this is a huge tear for Drew Smith. I think he has the most potential of stepping up to a significant high leverage contributor. And if he doesn’t, it’s time to move on from him. Nogosek has potential to reach a level of serviceable bullpen arm too. Brigham might be a solid too. And John Curtis might be a huge high leverage contributor.
We just can’t afford any more injuries.
Great stuff on the high leverage scenario. Yes I think Lindor wanted Baez but now PCA is a top 20 prospect at premium position. I am hoping Alex Ramirez continues to ascend to take sting out of losing PCA for rental of Baez (who did play well but wasn’t right move imo).
Just a reminder that hindsight is 20 20. The reporting on Crow Armstrong that trickled down to me at the time was that he was a great defender who might hit for average in the big leagues, but was not going to hit for power. And he was in the midst of recovering from a very serious shoulder injury. By my recollection, the Mets were in first place and seriously undermanned, with Lindor out, but DeGrom and Carrasco on the mend. We needed an offensive star boost.
I myself wanted Bryant. But I was thrilled to get Baez. And Baez was great. But DeGrom never returned, Carrasco stunk, Walker stunk, Megill stunk, Conforto stunk, Dom stunk and McNeil stunk. Total failure of a squad that looked pretty damn close when they acquired a superstar at the deadline.
Full transparency, I also wanted to re-sign Baez. Looks like letting him walk and using the savings for other free agents, however turned out to be smart. And I wanted them to sign Bryant. Which would have been disastrous, so what do I know? I was also ready to let Diaz and McNeil go heading into ‘22 so again, I’m an idiot. But I was thrilled immediately with the Thanksgiving weekend purchases. All in, to be sure. And then the Bassitt acquisition, which was also a winning move. But I was against trading Dom when that spring opportunity materialized, so back to the drawing board.
My point is that none of these moves happen in isolation. The roster has many moving parts and the opponents move and react as well.
At this point in time, the most impactful player of the Baez trade was Trevor Williams. He directly contributed to a highly successful Mets 101 win season. Let’s wait until more time has passed before we put Pete Crow Armstrong in the Hall of Fame. The jury on the trade, in my opinion, is still out.
Yes I agree hindsight is 20/20 and jury is still out. Baez played well and like you mentioned there were other several factors why they didn’t play well second half season. I am a admitted prospect hugger so my viewpoint is warped lol. And Mets have several OF prospects fail so their track record isn’t good: Jason tyner, Alex Ochoa, lasting milledge, Fernando martinez, Alex Escobar.
Good explaination with data on the leverages and the impact with the injury .
I might be wrong but it seemed as if Lindor was pushing Steve to acquire Baez and the Mets wanted to keep their superstar happy.
That's how I remember it. It seemed to me that Lindor wanted to reunite Puerto Rico's WBC infield: Baez, Lindor and Carrasco. Not the worst dream scenario.
tonight Mexico came from behind against Puerto Rico. if only they had a closer...oh wait...
Is there any evidence that Britton can still pitch? Seems like a long shot to me. Maybe not worth a roster spot, let alone money.
Maybe it's a playoff hangover but Drew Smith and "heightened set-up role" is not a confidence builder. Regardless, I have confidence that the Mets will figure this out. Every team will have their version of the Diaz Fiasco and Billy Eppler will be right there to figure out "how can we leverage this our advantage." Meanwhile, LFG with real games so there is something "real" to talk about.
Somebody said Musgrove must have forgotten the sticky stuff when he dropped weights on his toe...