Thanks as always for the perspective of multiple perspectives. I’ve definitely been in the boiling over crowd. But you never know. Baseball is funny, and tonight might be the night David Peterson throws 8 shutout innings and the Mets lead by 7 in the 9th do they can throw Denyi Reyes and the bullpen has a chance to rest and reload.
Of course his gem will save his place in the rotation for another month and he will lose us his next 5 starts in ignominious fashion and we’ll be right back here.
Didn't Max Fried break his face on Citi Field turf? He dove for a ball and made a throw only to land face first on the field. I believe he ended up concussed. Moral: Max Fried and Citi Field are not simpatico. The better looking pitcher will win tonight. If the game is played.
Apr 28, 2023·edited Apr 28, 2023Liked by Jeffrey Bellone
Good edition ! Althought the catching garphic and stats i dont understand LOL. I just know Nido doesnt belong on the team. Cant tell with the rain coming if that is going to help the Mets and thier pitching woes this weekend. On paper i dont see them winning more then 1 game. Myself i like to win the division. You are correct in the big scheme of things these days in all sports doesnt seem to be that meaningful. As a fan though i want the shirt and hat that goes with winning the Division LOL.
They are a graphical representation of the catchers ability to not suck. Or suck. Nido appears to be able to suck quite well, based on the graphic. Hope that helps 🙄
Disagree about Raley. He has had 2 bad outings, one of them last night, one when we were down 5 zip in Milwaukie. I don’t think he’s been scored on otherwise in 9 outings. That’s pretty good. 9/11 = 82% success rate.
Forgot it was a trade. But I also miscounted. 14 appearance, only 2 bad. That’s an 86% success rate.
I do agree that trading with TB is fraught.
But I think he’s been good, Matthew. All the HRs allowed this season occurred in the two bad outings. He’s walked just one guy this year. He’s let up just 6 hits and one hit batsman in the other 12 scoreless outings. He’s inherited a total of 9 runners, and 4 have scored. But that’s including 3 out of 3 last night. Before that he had stranded all but one of the 6 inherited.
I think this bottom line stuff is more important than advanced metrics. Context is everything.
Another great edition. Seems I just can't get over the gut punch from losing baseball's best closer before we ever got going. I fear this will be our downfall if thing go south end of season. Also, I know wins don't mean what they used to but MLB has to find a way to award a win to the best of the lot who pitched in a given game when the winner now (Braley) essentially was terrible. I can see not giving it to Robertson who closed but of all pitchers, Lucchesi was probably the most effective ineffective pitcher was on the mound for only one run scored, though he left two on base who came in due to bad pitching later. Anyway, a win is a win but not necessarily for the best pitcher on a given day.
Thanks, Jim! A win is a win, but like you say, for all of the areas we’ve evolved the game, it’s crazy the way they credit pitcher wins. However, what can you really do if you want to keep any stat integrity to the pitchers from previous generations?
I think pitcher wins are important, and they ought not award them to anyone but a starter. Why does every game need a winning pitcher? Giving a win to Raley last night just feeds the “pitcher wins don’t matter” crowd. But if we only looked at starters as candidates for wins, they would be more meaningful. A starter who does enough in a given day to leave the team set up to win the game should mean something. And if you leave the team a lead after 7 or 8 innings, you have a better chance of getting the W than if you leave after 5-6 innings. Of course it means something. Do it 20 times in one season, that’s a hell of a good season. Do it 200 times in a career, that’s a hell of a good career.
Great article, Jeff! As a representative of the issues of the 'several underlying issues that are waiting to boil over' contingent, I liked this article a lot, and feel your data puts some weight into the argument we should be starting Alvarez more than Nido - one of those underlying issues - and the defensive difference isn't significant enough to bench him; he's just Buck's favorite and it might worth trying Alvarez when Senga pitches based on how aggressive hitters and base runners are 2nd, 3rd time through the order when they lay off his ghost fork.
I appreciate the new catching stat. Glad there's something besides 'framing' because that stat will be gone soon when they bring in robot umpires anyhow. Where did you find that information?
Thanks, Lee! I’m interested to see how these new metrics might evolve how teams deploy catchers. Plus, to consider they have their own metrics that might be ahead of the public-facing ones, especially a team like the Mets that has ramped up their analytics department in recent years.
Thanks as always for the perspective of multiple perspectives. I’ve definitely been in the boiling over crowd. But you never know. Baseball is funny, and tonight might be the night David Peterson throws 8 shutout innings and the Mets lead by 7 in the 9th do they can throw Denyi Reyes and the bullpen has a chance to rest and reload.
Of course his gem will save his place in the rotation for another month and he will lose us his next 5 starts in ignominious fashion and we’ll be right back here.
Didn't Max Fried break his face on Citi Field turf? He dove for a ball and made a throw only to land face first on the field. I believe he ended up concussed. Moral: Max Fried and Citi Field are not simpatico. The better looking pitcher will win tonight. If the game is played.
Max Fried is a future Met. I feel it in my bones. Nice Jewish boy.
I like it. Additionally, the Mets deserve their Theo Epstein for GM | President | Grand Poohbah - the greatest Jewish GM of all time.
I think Stearns may be a MOTT too.
He'll do. Just curious, is Eppler Jewish?
Don’t know. If he is, he’s a shanda.
Good edition ! Althought the catching garphic and stats i dont understand LOL. I just know Nido doesnt belong on the team. Cant tell with the rain coming if that is going to help the Mets and thier pitching woes this weekend. On paper i dont see them winning more then 1 game. Myself i like to win the division. You are correct in the big scheme of things these days in all sports doesnt seem to be that meaningful. As a fan though i want the shirt and hat that goes with winning the Division LOL.
Agreed, agreed, agreed!
LOL, I do not understand the graphs either but as I mentioned yesterday, play Alvarez as often as possible.
... and you a lot younger to me - i saw your comment last night LOL
They are a graphical representation of the catchers ability to not suck. Or suck. Nido appears to be able to suck quite well, based on the graphic. Hope that helps 🙄
Was that an ugly win or the best win of the year? Or maybe both?
Couple of points
• Keep playing the kids. They are better than the alternative.
• Alvarez’ at bats lately have been noticeably better. His d also looks to be better than advertised.
• Raley has not looked good at all. Don't trade with Tampa Bay.
• 4 vs ATL with some very unfavorable pitching matchups. I'm hoping for a lot rain.
Oh, and wasn’t he a FA signing? We didn’t trade with TB
You are getting lost in the forest for all the trees. I don’t care about advanced metrics. He’s done his job adequately 82% if the time. That’s good.
Disagree about Raley. He has had 2 bad outings, one of them last night, one when we were down 5 zip in Milwaukie. I don’t think he’s been scored on otherwise in 9 outings. That’s pretty good. 9/11 = 82% success rate.
His FIP is almost 6, he’s given up 3 hr in 11ip. He gave up 6 last year in 54 innings. He hasn’t been good.
And, yes it was a trade.
Forgot it was a trade. But I also miscounted. 14 appearance, only 2 bad. That’s an 86% success rate.
I do agree that trading with TB is fraught.
But I think he’s been good, Matthew. All the HRs allowed this season occurred in the two bad outings. He’s walked just one guy this year. He’s let up just 6 hits and one hit batsman in the other 12 scoreless outings. He’s inherited a total of 9 runners, and 4 have scored. But that’s including 3 out of 3 last night. Before that he had stranded all but one of the 6 inherited.
I think this bottom line stuff is more important than advanced metrics. Context is everything.
Another great edition. Seems I just can't get over the gut punch from losing baseball's best closer before we ever got going. I fear this will be our downfall if thing go south end of season. Also, I know wins don't mean what they used to but MLB has to find a way to award a win to the best of the lot who pitched in a given game when the winner now (Braley) essentially was terrible. I can see not giving it to Robertson who closed but of all pitchers, Lucchesi was probably the most effective ineffective pitcher was on the mound for only one run scored, though he left two on base who came in due to bad pitching later. Anyway, a win is a win but not necessarily for the best pitcher on a given day.
Thanks, Jim! A win is a win, but like you say, for all of the areas we’ve evolved the game, it’s crazy the way they credit pitcher wins. However, what can you really do if you want to keep any stat integrity to the pitchers from previous generations?
I think pitcher wins are important, and they ought not award them to anyone but a starter. Why does every game need a winning pitcher? Giving a win to Raley last night just feeds the “pitcher wins don’t matter” crowd. But if we only looked at starters as candidates for wins, they would be more meaningful. A starter who does enough in a given day to leave the team set up to win the game should mean something. And if you leave the team a lead after 7 or 8 innings, you have a better chance of getting the W than if you leave after 5-6 innings. Of course it means something. Do it 20 times in one season, that’s a hell of a good season. Do it 200 times in a career, that’s a hell of a good career.
Great perspective. Couldn’t agree more. Fell asleep with Mets comfortably ahead last night too.
Great article, Jeff! As a representative of the issues of the 'several underlying issues that are waiting to boil over' contingent, I liked this article a lot, and feel your data puts some weight into the argument we should be starting Alvarez more than Nido - one of those underlying issues - and the defensive difference isn't significant enough to bench him; he's just Buck's favorite and it might worth trying Alvarez when Senga pitches based on how aggressive hitters and base runners are 2nd, 3rd time through the order when they lay off his ghost fork.
I appreciate the new catching stat. Glad there's something besides 'framing' because that stat will be gone soon when they bring in robot umpires anyhow. Where did you find that information?
Thanks, Lee! I’m interested to see how these new metrics might evolve how teams deploy catchers. Plus, to consider they have their own metrics that might be ahead of the public-facing ones, especially a team like the Mets that has ramped up their analytics department in recent years.
If ever there were a workforce who have earned the inevitable replacement by robots. . .
Appreciate the breakdown of the new coaching stat - interesting
The Mets sucked yesterday but they won anyway. That is what good teams do.
Everything is coming up Baty 😍 I love seeing this kid in the line-up.
The weather report for NYC is not terrific but Sunday and Monday seem better for actual play.
Before I continue reading the rest of your column, may I say your words are very soothing this afternoon?