I will say that BVW's 2019 team was far better and could have won the Division (and made a run in the playoffs) if not for a horrendous season by Diaz and a very poor year by Noah. We kept hoping those were the real Alonso, McNeil, Conforto, Smith, Davis. Two years later, none of those 5 players is remotely close to matching their 2019 seasons.
To Steve's point, I think we have to open our eyes to the fact that these players are not that good. You go down the list and I have to wonder if the Mets are close to a near-total rebuild. Dom Smith in LF isn't working. I love Nimmo (but the injuries and lack of HR are a concern). Conforto needs to go away. Davis' bat looks slow, can't field. SS is set, we should have stability there; McNeil's defense is okay and his bat has disappointed us; and Pete is just a big slugger, a #6 type hitter, but the power is real. At catcher, at the least the defense is good. Not a bad team. Not a terrible one. But while we're all casting about the explanations why the offense has been so bad -- the approach, the injuries -- the most obvious answer might be the correct one: It's the players, stupid. No power, no speed, last (I think) in both SLG and advanced baserunning metrics. We may have been deluded by a 60-game schedule and, I think, by Jake's brilliance. My goodness, how the worm has turned. 75 wins might be the best the Mets can hope for at this point.
EXACTLY - You nailed it - the managment and now new owner seems to be waiting/thinking that this current roster is good and will produce. Maybe some ofthem but its the wrong mix together. Ay this past trade deadline - they could have sent a message and shaken up th team by trading a conforto or dom smith. If that didnt shake them up it was time to start all all over again - rebuild and do it with Theo Epstein
Tough situation. Hard for a 1st place team in a weak division to trade "assets." What was market for either of those two guys anyway? We likely missed Dom's best value this past winter. I think it's a real possibility that the braintrust accurately assessed the current situation and made a decision not to squander any valuable prospects. They felt they HAD to do something, and did, awkwardly, the dumb trade of Crowe-Armstrong for 60 days of Javy Baez striking out. More important, need to remove Sandy completely from situation. He destroyed farm system first time around, and just blew the latest draft. I don't even want him at the table. Scott seems okay to me, I can't tell, but he got destroyed at the deadline.
Great summary - however this has happened the past 5 years in a row - very predictable with the current roster.
I will say that BVW's 2019 team was far better and could have won the Division (and made a run in the playoffs) if not for a horrendous season by Diaz and a very poor year by Noah. We kept hoping those were the real Alonso, McNeil, Conforto, Smith, Davis. Two years later, none of those 5 players is remotely close to matching their 2019 seasons.
This is it Jimmy !
To Steve's point, I think we have to open our eyes to the fact that these players are not that good. You go down the list and I have to wonder if the Mets are close to a near-total rebuild. Dom Smith in LF isn't working. I love Nimmo (but the injuries and lack of HR are a concern). Conforto needs to go away. Davis' bat looks slow, can't field. SS is set, we should have stability there; McNeil's defense is okay and his bat has disappointed us; and Pete is just a big slugger, a #6 type hitter, but the power is real. At catcher, at the least the defense is good. Not a bad team. Not a terrible one. But while we're all casting about the explanations why the offense has been so bad -- the approach, the injuries -- the most obvious answer might be the correct one: It's the players, stupid. No power, no speed, last (I think) in both SLG and advanced baserunning metrics. We may have been deluded by a 60-game schedule and, I think, by Jake's brilliance. My goodness, how the worm has turned. 75 wins might be the best the Mets can hope for at this point.
EXACTLY - You nailed it - the managment and now new owner seems to be waiting/thinking that this current roster is good and will produce. Maybe some ofthem but its the wrong mix together. Ay this past trade deadline - they could have sent a message and shaken up th team by trading a conforto or dom smith. If that didnt shake them up it was time to start all all over again - rebuild and do it with Theo Epstein
Tough situation. Hard for a 1st place team in a weak division to trade "assets." What was market for either of those two guys anyway? We likely missed Dom's best value this past winter. I think it's a real possibility that the braintrust accurately assessed the current situation and made a decision not to squander any valuable prospects. They felt they HAD to do something, and did, awkwardly, the dumb trade of Crowe-Armstrong for 60 days of Javy Baez striking out. More important, need to remove Sandy completely from situation. He destroyed farm system first time around, and just blew the latest draft. I don't even want him at the table. Scott seems okay to me, I can't tell, but he got destroyed at the deadline.